It's been far too long since we last told all of you a story. This time, let's make it a Christmas story! It has grinches, and angels, and stories of dastardly deeds and goodwill.
Our story... is also full of brutal honesty. (Except we do it with style and class. --Pierre)
You know, we've become quite sick of seeing certain people scally up the fashion feed at World of SL. They were recently booted there from the main feed, their sad arse confined. We have a bone to pick with them, really. They're trying to steal our limelight! The bastards. Plus, they screwed over a nice group of people, who we'll call the angels. The bad people we'll just simply refer to as grinches.
Now, see, one of our little angels spied a stolen present once upon a time, and she wrote about it at the local newspaper. The present was hijacked straight out of the mind of someone more grand, more spectacular, and the grinch chose to use the creation to gain copious amounts of money from the poor town citizens - he sold it "limited edition", but one will never be aware of how many he actually still holds and sells privately.
Our angel was sad - sad for the people that were being taken advantage of. She wrote that article, and not long afterward our favorite internet piece of poo, Brutal Honesty, was founded with three new characters no one had ever heard of.
Their first story was about denim. Their second story? Our girl. They took something she had fashioned with her own mouse and keyboard, and dug hard to rip it apart. They had to dig hard, because it really wasn't a bad creation - but she's not awfully experienced yet, so we will allow her this injustice.
This upset our angel, and rightfully so.
The grinches continued to harass our little angel, harangue her, and it got worse and more (for lack of a better word) BRUTAL with time. Classless. Now, our little angel isn't perfect - but she'd never done anything like that to anyone she took down for lying, cheating, or stealing. The grinches were, and are, merciless.
Then the first clincher came - we lost a beautiful angel, a beautiful angel creator, to a sad occurrence not long back. Their friends didn't want to speak of it yet, because it still hurt so much and they feared that the community might turn against them for revealing this information.
It turns out their fears were right. The grinches wrote about the disappearance of what we call "The Quad", and allowed commenters to absolutely have their way with the death. No respect, no class. Utter failure on their part. The grinches even supported the running commentary... in favor of more hits, more than likely. They said that Oh, everyone deserves a right to grieve in their own way. Some just feel this is lies fed to us by the Quad.
What person, in their right mind, would fake their own death? We would expect fake deaths from the grinches, but not from our fellow designers. No, the grinches were wrong and showed their lack of morality and respect in one short day.
A few weeks went by, and then we suddenly had more movement from the grinches, this time asking for "real pictures" of the angel we mention in the beginning of our story. They never say her name, but it was more than implied. However, the word in question was "real" - do they want real SL pictures, not faked in Photoshop? Or do they want real, honest photographs from the physical realm? One thing is for sure, it's best not to make the wrong assumption with these sorts of fanatical attempts. We will continue to assume, as many other people did, that the grinches were looking for blood: real blood. God only knows what their "special bonus package" entailed; it's best to keep them at arms length.
Hiding behind their assumed intelligence, their hidden agendas, their friends... our grinches thought they were safe, that no one would ever figure out who they were. Unfortunately for them, some of our friends in high places became angry, even agitated, and began digging. They overturned one rock that our grinches had been hiding under... and if you unturn one stone in a field, chances are the single one next to it is related.
My friends, Tina Travanti, aka Amelia Abernathy of Ame True designs, is the female end of our grinch family. She has been tracked via IP (not smart enough to use a proxy) which reveal both her alternate character and her true identity. Of course, she left other hints too. If any of you are familiar with shapes, you will more than likely notice that Amelia was so in love with her shape, that upon creating Tina she gave her alternate a copy of it. "But Giles," you may cry, "I can't see it! I can't tell, the skins are different!" Use your eyes.
Now, that leaves Lothian. Who is Lothian? Well, who do you know that's an egotistical arse and has Amelia hanging on him like her very life depends on it? Yes, you've probably got it. He's the one the original article at the local paper was about.
Of course, if you don't believe us on that end, simply ask yourself why neither of them has been releasing anything lately... In fact, he simply retextured some crummy old earrings from last year that he had hanging around and set them out for sale again. A year old? We think that qualifies them as free merchandise now - out of style, out of touch!
As for Lisbeth Darcy, we've heard rumors that this is their little pet, Bethany Heart. But, we can't make accusations when we have no stable information on that part... let's just say that Lisbeth is ALLEGEDLY the alt of Bethany.
(Oh, we decided to delete this bit. The commenters appear to be having more fun chewing on that bit of info rather than the point of the christmas story... shame on all of you! Let's just say that our grinches have friends in -semi- high places.)
What is the motivation behind all of their spittle? Well, we figure that they're foaming at the mouth simply because our little angel might have dented their sales. It's so sad to see that a middle aged man and woman, one from Washington, one from Seattle, can fall so far. We mean... dont' you think that Amelia should be off taking care of her family instead of spreading malicious rumors, lies, and stabbing everyone in the back? We're just saying.
*Disclaimer: Yes, we know they will sit there and try to deny this, cry, whine and harrass everyone, "NO it's not us!" Well, you can choose for yourself if you want to, but we know our evidence is true - and the coincidences are just far too... coincidental.
Saturday, December 8, 2007
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1 – 200 of 208 Newer› Newest»Why don't you tell us who Lothian is for those of us who have no idea what paper you're talking about.
This was very interesting to read, though I don't care who is behind brutal honesty, I really like their blog.
That would be none other then the con artest himself Elexor Matador
Lothian - Elexor Matador.
Tina - Amelia Abernathy.
Oh, look at this IP address I found. You really shouldn't leave these lying around, Tina.
67.183.208.64
What does Roslin have to do with it?
Can I ask why my name's posted on here? Other than the simple fact that I commented on the blog?
It's a bit of a witch hunt now because it's not clear why anyone is listed here, including Ana, who just commented there a lot?
Well..I liked this blog all the way up til now. I don't give a shit who is behind Brutal Honesty..its a good read. What I do give a shit about is anyone placing Tenshi even close to an angel by comparison. The woman has bad taste and the ugliest personality I've ever seen. She seems to think her shit doesnt stink and its very unbecoming. Deleting this site from my list. Have fun being sheep.
Oh Elexor, sorry i didnt catch that im kind of new to SL. Well, probably more new then most people posting.
I do think its very possible this is Elexor, he was very rude and snide to other designers creations in the fashcon group. I hated him with a passion. But if he is Lothian, i love the new "look". Lothian rocks! \m/
what do I have to do with it? I got an im today saying my name is in a blog post so i went to see. what gives?
"What I do give a shit about is anyone placing Tenshi even close to an angel by comparison."
coz rumours has it that this blog is by Tenshi
Oh I get it! So the real truth is that Tenshi is jealous of all the attention the Brutal Honesty clan is getting and relising that the blog she writes for and takes absolutely horrible pictures for is a failing piece of crap that people view for no other reason than to watch the train wreck. And so she decided to make a new blog that would hopefully equate to Brutal Honesty and is since watching this one fail as well and is now pissed. It all makes sense now. ;)
I'm very curious to know what the people who applauded these clowns for having the guts to post their vile diatribe under their "real names" think now. Why did people think Tina & Lothian were main accounts anyway? I thought it was always understood they were anonymous alts grinding that axe. The only question was "who?" and I guess that's answered now. Thanks, Pierre!
I am unclear who this is yet but it really does not matter to me. Whomever you are you really need to stick a sock in it. I would like to see chat logs and notation of where I ever said anything about these subjects. When I do find out who you are, you and all of your acquaintances will be banned and muted from all of my properties now and future. You disgust me. You fight and bitch like 8 year old kids tattling on each other on the playground. Please find something creative to do with your time, besides bothering people like myself. And find a way to quickly stop yourself from putting words in my fucking mouth.
Thanks.
I understand the intention of this article, but I would appreciate some clarification about why the other names are mentioned in this post (under Brutal Buddies). As it stands, this implies that these individuals are somehow involved with Brutal Honesty. It reads as an accusation ... but of what? A couple of these people are friends of mine, and I know that they will find this post upsetting to say the least. If an explanation cannot be provided about why those names are listed in this post, perhaps they should be removed to save innocent parties from being hurt.
The main purpose of this post is the identification of the BH writers identity, but I can see it getting dragged down pretty quickly by mentioning other people's names in such a vague manner.
Oh but Stephanie...don't you know Tenshi is ALWAYS right and her opinion reigns supreme. LOL. If the names are taken down then she'll probably take the whole post down to try to save face and pretend like she never did anything bad. Just like she never made a mockery of 'The Quad' situation herself right? lol. There's no longer a post so it never happened. ;)
Hey you Brutal Honesty fans, it says a lot about your character if you like a blog that's essentially the SL equivalent of the Springer show. Have fun knowing that your two-faced idols don't have the balls to post under their real names because they're backstabbing folks they rub shoulders with.
and Anonymous @ 5:31 PM...or should I say Lothian? you're awfully fond of using the word "sheep" aren't you?
We are not classless here LADIES and GENTLEMEN, please remember your manners. We are appalled that some might think that we allowed TENSHI to write such a piece.
Does anyone have Swirly's phone number? We are so craving to hear that woman's voice.
"Hey you Brutal Honesty fans, it says a lot about your character if you like a blog that's essentially the SL equivalent of the Springer show."
Ummm..isn't that what this blog amounts too as well? It's nothing but drama and 'exposing' people in a tacky manner.
"We are not classless here LADIES and GENTLEMEN, please remember your manners."
This article lacks more class than I've ever seen. I didn't realise that attacking people in a public forum was classy. Your Skin Within post was smothered in 'class'.
"We are appalled that some might think that we allowed TENSHI to write such a piece."
Do you honestly expect us to think you're going to outright say 'Oh you got me..I'm Tenshi'. The shear fact that you seem to think this blog has any class at all and compare her to an 'angel' smells like Tenshi all over. Only she likes herself that much.
tenshi means angel in japanese. might be where they got it from.
"Ummm..isn't that what this blog amounts too as well? It's nothing but drama and 'exposing' people in a tacky manner."
And what's your point Anon 8:13? Who cares if it was Tenshi or someone else who exposed them. The topic here is the BH blog and its attendant throngs of pus-ridden rabid hyenas who feed off the misery of others. It's about time they got some served back to them, though you know they'll deny it, and their adoring fans will continue to swallow their drivel cos they all like it so much.
"The shear fact that you seem to think this blog has any class"
Um, get a sense of humor, if you don't understand the entire approach of this blog.
"Hey you Brutal Honesty fans, it says a lot about your character if you like a blog that's essentially the SL equivalent of the Springer show."
*shrugs*
I don't see much of a difference between this blog and Brutal Honesty...tracking IP's...letting them be posted in comments, random accusations? It reads like a BH post minus insulting Tenshi. Weird.
@Ciera: And that opinion is still valid regardless of whether or not this blog resembles them doesn't it? Frankly I lost all consideration for them and their toadies as human beings when they encouraged those comments on Ginny's death and were total assholes about it. If this is true, then they deserve what's coming to them.
\"Why did people think Tina & Lothian were main accounts anyway?\"
Pop over to the Herald, look at the Elexor article and read the comments, she claims she\'s no alt.
It doesn\'t surprise me that she\'s involved in such utterly fantastic spew, she has a penchant for making alts and stalking people then blaming her friends for it, so lets see who the middle aged \'should know better\' headcase blames this time shall we? That woman *really* needs some help, and Elexor knows it.
@Gaia "When I do find out who you are, you and all of your acquaintances will be banned and muted from all of my properties now and future"
Ermm, if they're talking crap about you I highly doubt they visit your properties, they don't like you.
@"Pop over to the Herald, look at the Elexor article and read the comments, she claims she\'s no alt."
Elexors a female? That explains the cock obsession.
lol no, I mean Tina claims she is no alt in the comments, about 10 under her *actual* av, talk about schizo.
These blogs might talk crap about people, but it doesn't mean they wont be on your property or talking to you, the BH twats have said plenty of stuff about people supposed to be their friends, it is all really rather pathetic.
All you people saying you don\'t care if they\'re alts or not: don\'t you realise it completely undermines the whole point of their blog?
Brutally honest and not afraid to hide their opinions? And they\'re hiding on alts? Ha!
@"lol no, I mean Tina claims she is no alt in the comments, about 10 under her *actual* av, talk about schizo."
Oh haha sorry!
@"Brutally honest and not afraid to hide their opinions? And they\'re hiding on alts? Ha!"
Good point!
"And what's your point Anon 8:13? Who cares if it was Tenshi or someone else who exposed them."
Ummm try reading. A couple of posts before mine bashed BH for being an equivalent to a Jerry Springer Show while praising this one in the same breath. While this blog is pretty much the same thing. I think there should be new rules. Some people really need to work on their reading comprehension.
"Um, get a sense of humor, if you don't understand the entire approach of this blog."
I love how you people seem to think the approach of this one is any different than the approach at BH. This one was just a copycat really. Its the same thing only worse because they (meaning Tenshi) are just playing a game. The blog is hardly ever read or commented on so 'pierre' figured he would write an article and just throw a list of random names in it under the assumption of accusations without actually explaining the allegations so that tons of people would come visit and read it in an attempt to figure out why their names were mentioned. It was just a drama ploy....which by the way has Tenshi written all over it.
The approach of this one is entirely different.
This is based on FACT, I think the matching ips prove at least the fact that Tina/Amelia isn\'t smart enough not to comment on the same blog post with a different IP.
BH might amuse, but it is nothing more than a couple of middle aged people, bored with their lives who have nothing better to do, clearly not making a killing from the jewellery business.. are they?
The whole point is they have based their blog on \"Brutal Honesty\":
1. He\'s not brutal, he\'s a doormat.
2. She\'s not honest, or she wouldn\'t need to post on that blog under ANOTHER \'not real\' name.
Neither of them would know honesty if it came about and smacked them in the face with a brick at 2000kph.
Wow. That was about as well researched as a Herald article. Oh wait...
You should get the fairy tale strait. The reason Tenshi-angel went after Elexor wasn't because someone felt cheated by a piece of jewelry that was inspired by a RL item. That happens in Second Life and real fashion every day without anyone caring. Tenshi turned her blow torch on Elexor because he was friends with the women of Linden Lifestyles. You know? The blog that the "angel" has been stalking and obsessed with since forever? She took too much heat when she went after LL directly and lost so she started going after their friends. A real class act. Tenshi is the only one who thinks she fools people about why she attacks others. She's also the only one deluded enough to think she has the power to affect someone else's sales.
Ame True has been releasing stuff as well as building a new store. Plus anyone who has ever spent real time with them knows that Elexor's in the midwest. So much for your FACTS and PROOF.
Tenshi has no way to know that when you have a store full of quality items, you can take some time off and rest on the merits of the sales generated by existing stock. Know who else hasn't been creating lately? Torrid Midnight. Oh! And Lash! Maybe it's them! Or Ceres! Or the people behind Naughty! It is teh funniez that Tenshi thinks someone would need to be a designer to dislike her. Besides, anyone who reads BH and actually thinks Loth is a guy is really an idiot.
Oh. And you left the part out of the story where BH was the blog that discovered Tenshi and Iris' Mercury scandal.
Finding this article a line of bull isn't about liking Brutal Honesty. Many people don't particularly like this style of blogging (and you are just the same as BH, only sadder because you're obviously a Tenshi clone). But I think it's sick that Tenshi gets to smear Elexor and Ame unjustly - AGAIN - just because she can't figure out who the BH people are. When I do sometimes read BH, it's because they seem to be the only outlet giving Tenshi, the Quad, and others a taste of their own medicine. It's nice to watch them dance like cockroaches on a hotplate for a change instead of just watching what their drama does to others.
As for "no guts to post under their real names" lolz - look in the mirror much? Tenshi-angel has no end of little brats at the Herald and other places who fight all her battles for her when she goes crying about how misunderstood she is.
Sorry, anon 8:31, it's not "unjust smearing" of poor innocent designers unlucky enough to be friends with the LL bloggers. It's a couple of snarky back-stabbing sewer feeders caught in their own trail of lies and attacks. They're certainly not innocent. Brutal, yes. Honest, not so much. Innocent, no way.
It doesn't matter who wrote this article. The point is the authors of that OTHER blog claimed to be something they're not. Or rather, they claimed NOT to be something they ARE. The bitter, vengeful, jealous alts of foul-minded cowards.
seeing as brutal honesty wouldn't let my post through...
http://foo.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/06/innovative_beau.html#comment-73399884
that's the winner of the 9000l photo contest, folks. did tina forget another trail?
"Ummm try reading. A couple of posts before mine bashed BH for being an equivalent to a Jerry Springer Show while praising this one in the same breath."
Let's read kids! "Hey you Brutal Honesty fans, it says a lot about your character if you like a blog that's essentially the SL equivalent of the Springer show. Have fun knowing that your two-faced idols don't have the balls to post under their real names because they're backstabbing folks they rub shoulders with."
I don't see how the above line has a secret double meaning ("I love Pierre and Giles! XOXO") just mockery directed at the BH readers. Did that hurt, much? Were you one of their mindless followers hurt by this comparison? I bet.
"While this blog is pretty much the same thing. I think there should be new rules. Some people really need to work on their reading comprehension."
Like you.
"I love how you people seem to think the approach of this one is any different than the approach at BH. This one was just a copycat really."
Only if you live in the apparent wasteland that's your mind.
where's the "Leave Amelia Alone" video?
@ Anon 8:31 "But I think it's sick that Tenshi gets to smear Elexor and Ame unjustly - AGAIN - just because she can't figure out who the BH people are."
Sorry to disappoint you, but unlike certain middle-aged lowlifes IPs don't lie.
Note the lack of an immediate response from Tina, she went on to post the results without blowing off the person who posted this url. Though I wonder why the comment was approved anyway (likely she was too dumb to go and read the url before she approved it).
This blog post was brought to my attention by a friend of mine last night. I wasn't even going to comment, but I've decided to make a statement since people I know are asking me in world if I am in fact, involved. I am in no way, shape, or form involved with the Brutal Honesty blog. I do not have an alt named Lisbeth Darcy. I hadn't even heard of her until this blog post. I barely even read blogs, much less maintain my own blog for EBC. If anyone has any further questions, I'd prefer it if they would IM me directly and not continue to post false information about me.
okay kidz time to lay off the 'tenshi stalked LL!' saw. it's getting old, and it hasn't been going on for a long while... oh, and she never asked for 'real pictures' of them either, i'd say tenshi's on top on this one.
glad the rag deals with some good hard facts!
so someone somewhere posted something in some blog and they were posting from Seattle? and that's "proof" that its someone in particular? master detective work since i'm sure posting from a small town like Seattle makes it so easy to narrow down who you are!
consider:
"I don't see much of a difference between this blog and Brutal Honesty...tracking IP's...letting them be posted in comments, random
accusations? It reads like a BH post minus insulting Tenshi. Weird."
right there's no difference really. good point. so are we ready to wake upto the reality that Tenshi and her little dogs are probably behind not just
this blog but BH too? who else would seriously care enough about Tenshi to keep shoving her name into the spotlight? its just another way for her to keep the drama going and make herself look sympathetic.
wake up folks. just wipe this entire crapfest (and Tenshi) from your lives.
Goodness sakes, you people are thick. Well, especially anonymous 3:51pm on December 9th and in particular the one on December 10, 2007 10:17 AM. Sad, really - a lot of nonsense!
We're watching you!
In addition, we are still waiting (somewhat impatiently) for Miss Swirly's phone number. Now THAT'S a woman.
Oh, yes, and before we forget. A good publicity game is much like chess, and it's Amelia/Tina's move. She can either knock over another pawn, or allow us to checkmate.
Her silence may signify a checkmate. However, a very good drama queen will know when to stay silent and when to cry wolf. Although....... she might have a hard time discounting this as mere gossip and rumor, especially since Anonymous December 9 4:54pm has so kindly provided us with the IP.
Ah, so Tina commented on Tenshi's article on
http://foo.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/06/innovative_beau.html#comment-73399884
And this is how the IP was tracked?
Nice blog Tenshi/ Tenshi's cronies
Does it matter how the IP was traced or who wrote this?
(smartypants above me, did you ever think that maybe they posted on someones blog that has all the little "tools" that Lothexor claims to have on his blog? and people maybe collaborated info with others?.. thought not)
The point is... the ip belonged to both Amelia and Tina OR someone claiming to be both, not that it really matters unless it's you they've smeared all over their trash blog.
But the main point is the whole "we aren't alts" - "we're brutal and honesty" is a complete crock of shit and they have hurt people they once called friends.
@ Anon 10:38 What are the chances that a designer with a reason to hate Tenshi uses the same proxy as...a muckraker who hates Tenshi? On the same post too if anon 10:33 is right.
You'd hope middle-aged people would have better things to do, let alone know better, than to maintain a virtual hate blog. They don't have youth as an excuse.
"smartypants above me, did you ever think that maybe they posted on someones blog that has all the little "tools" that Lothexor claims to have on his blog?"
Yes, and I think it's crap when BH claims that stuff too. Anyone willing to take this "we know who you are because our net tools can see you" bunk at face value has an agenda on this, BH, or any blog.
"What are the chances that a designer with a reason to hate Tenshi uses the same proxy as...a muckraker who hates Tenshi?"
I think the sheer volume of people who hate Tenshi for the countless reasons there are to hate her lend plenty of possibility to that scenario. We don't even know when these IPs were supposedly tagged or from where and how much time may have passed between comparison. All we know is that a bunch of anon people on a blog that hardly ever posts says so. Sorry. I'll need more than this blog's word before I believe any of this. Show your work or shut up.
It's nice to finally see a semi-noble gossip blog out there. Seeing as they've not been wrong in any of their other posts (staying anon, but I got passed the Minnu/Thora/Tenshi notecards, too). I'm all for believing it's true. Seeing as they're casual aquaintences, I can see how Elexor and Amelia are behind BH. I loathed every second I had to spend those two fat, old and cynical evolutionary throwbacks as did most of the people they consider 'close friends'. If Pierre and Giles are friends of Tenshi, maybe she's not so bad.
"Does it matter how the IP was traced or who wrote this? "
*raises hand* Ummmmmmm - yes? Because we have no way to know if it's true or just Tenshi and pals spreading more rumors. The Herald has been defending Tenshi from BH tooth and nail lately. Why not post this there and have the credibility of the Herald behind it? Why chose a little-known blog like this with nothing to lose? Unless it's to maximize exposure so that later the Herald can run an article that says something like "SL Bloggers Reveal Brutally Honest Scandal."
For all we know Tenshi got Elexor and Amelia's IPs in some unethical manner and is just using her friends to spread rumors that it matches the people at BH.
This accusation might also have a little more credibility if it weren't calling Tenshi an "angel" and painting her in such a favorable light. An objective point of view would at least be worth considering. Instead this just reads like another one of Tenshi's attempts to white-wash her image and bully people that don't like her.
It's a shame we DO have to moderate some of these comments. Please keep it civil and about the topic; a few of your are rather classless and uncouth!
After sorting through that story and the comments, Pierre and Giles are Tenshi and Iris outing Elexor and Amelia who are Lothian and Tina? I'm confused.
*If* this is Tenshi and she had real evidence she would be posting it on her blog and at Second Life Herald with a big party complete all the trimmings. We would never ever hear the end of it.
I think this blog is Tenshi's testing ground, and she is really mad these people are ignoring her. Or she and Iris are Brutal Honesty and they have more spare time than any one I know with real lives.
Who is Lisbeth then? I say it was Lisbeth in the study with the candle stick.
Of course, because we all know Tenshi is so inherently evil!!!
I'm pretty sure that if Tenshi were behind this blog, the story would have broken on Tenshi's precious Herald. I bet she's pissed that she didn't get to scoop it. So in a way, this blog just screwed over Tenshi and the Herald? That's pretty deep, if they did.
"I'm pretty sure that if Tenshi were behind this blog, the story would have broken on Tenshi's precious Herald. I bet she's pissed that she didn't get to scoop it. So in a way, this blog just screwed over Tenshi and the Herald? That's pretty deep, if they did."
Why didn't she you ask? Because she has no real proof. So she used this little gem that she writes for with one of her many psychotic personalities to begin the slander so that the Herald and SCD wouldn't catch crap for the lies that is this 'article'. Not that SCD hasn't already caught a ton of crap for their lies.
What I find really really funny is that anyone defends this girl at all. Your 'angel' ripped apart Elexor for selling limited edition jewels that he recreated and then sometime later she wrote an article praising a store for making fabulous Chanel replicas stating that because they admitted they were replicas it made it the 'right' way to do it. Crazy much?
'Please keep it civil and about the topic; a few of your are rather classless and uncouth!'
If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.
So, how many of these comments have come from Amelia and Elexor/Tina and Lothian? From the tone of them, I'd say at least five each. I noticed that none of their personalities has refuted anything, either, but just decided to blame it all on Tenshi, who may not be involved. Sounds like Brutal Honesty in action!
'So, how many of these comments have come from Amelia and Elexor/Tina and Lothian? From the tone of them, I'd say at least five each. I noticed that none of their personalities has refuted anything, either, but just decided to blame it all on Tenshi, who may not be involved. Sounds like Brutal Honesty in action!'
Better yet...how many of the praising comments are from Tenshi and her clones? From the sound of it I'd say most from Tenshi herself. Touche.
What you Tenshi-fixated people keep forgetting is that Tenshi's past deeds and character aren't justification - nothing is - for what Tina, Lothian and Lisbeth have done. That blog's become nothing but a haven for Tenshi-haters and drama whores who have nothing better to do than gleefully join in vilifying the next sacrificial lamb that they offer up. It's really sad that the people there have this need to fester in their own bile, and you have to wonder where they get all their hate from anyway. If they really were mains they wouldn't have so much hate and jealousy for people and designers who have no immediate relation to their alts as evidenced by how they trash this and that person. That much is obvious.
So far I think this post has been logical and the longer they keep mum the more I'm inclined to believe it. If they get their just desserts from this I'm not going to be sorry for them.
'What you Tenshi-fixated people keep forgetting is that Tenshi's past deeds and character aren't justification - nothing is - for what Tina, Lothian and Lisbeth have done.'
Tenshi deserves worse.
What Tenshi deserves isn't the point of this post. I'm honestly tired of all the harping on Tenshi this, Tenshi that, when that's not at issue here. The identity of the BH bloggers is.
You can question the veracity of what this post claims, like the guy who mentioned how IPs could be a coincidence, but trashing Tenshi simply isn't how to go about proving your point.
Few people here are defending Brutal Honesty. Most of us are defending Elexor, Amelia, and the other innocent people with reputations who have been attacked needlessly. This entry does nothing but allude to some make-believe "proof" we've yet to see from some anon blogger we're just supposed to trust...why? Are you Tenshi's super-secret FBI contact we've heard about?
As for needing to "justify" Brutal Honesty - they can do that or not on their own. Although I'm sure they've figured out like everyone else that the best way to have fun with Tenshi is to ignore her for a little while and watch her dance desperately for more attention.
But - what is it that BH would have to justify anyway? Their discovery that Tenshi and Iris were scamming people with the whole Mercury thing? They had REAL PROOF to the point where the SCD folks had to own up to it. Or has that all been deleted now? They delete so much it's hard to tell. Sure the comments of BH have all that "ooooh - we have the magic IPs" bs like this, but in their main articles they put their money where their mouth is.
It says a lot about the realistic mindset of the people writing this blog that they believe you have to be a designer or blogger to be against Tenshi and want to see her get a taste of her own bile. There are a lot of people without blogs or design businesses who hate what she stands for and what she does. Her incestuous little fanclub are the only ones who don't know it.
If you're tired of BH holding the light on Tenshi's hypocrisy, then the easy solution is just don't read BH. And Tenshi is the issue of this post - which is why so many of us have correctly connected the dots to her and this blog.
We think the majority of you have gigantic egos with a skewed sense of justice and villany.
But of course, who wouldn't? Not with the anonymity of the internet behind us! There again, we do realize that if you don't understand how the internet and IP's work that you wouldn't really have anything worth talking about.
I'm tired of people posting on this thread just to trash Tenshi but not address the issue, not BH trashing Tenshi on their own blog. And FYI, a lot of people unaffiliated with Tenshi (and could care less about the anti-Tenshi vendetta) despise BH for their scummy, morally-reprehensible posts (let's not start on the Quad one) and their obvious enjoyment in other people's pain even as they subvert it for their own ends. What about the one where they tore apart Starley's skins by citing flaws that weren't even there? That wasn't even an objective review, if you could call it a review. As I said, there's plenty of reason for their detractors to think they deserve this.
awww pooooor wittle Tenshi
are her wittle feelings hurt because she's finally offended so many people that almost no one will rise to her defense when she cries wolf yet again?
be tired of it all you want we'll post what we like unless of course the powers that be decide to just remove or disallow those comments that paint our wittle angel in an unfavorable light
it's gonna be a pretty short list of comments if you do that of course
poor wittle baby
lying in the bed you created sucks huh?
@Anon 4:03
One can only infer when you say Tenshi, you actually mean Tina/Amelia. Tinelia? Amina? That's who's going to be lying in the fetid bed she made.
This is getting hard to read with all the anonymous commenting!
@" Maybe it's them! Or Ceres! Or the people behind Naughty!"
Erm, Naughty guy is busy devloping for Armidi, der
@"Besides, anyone who reads BH and actually thinks Loth is a guy is really an idiot."
There is no way to tell if someone is a male or female, there may be indications but nothing more. Elexor comes across as a girl, but I don't think Lothian does.Oddily enough, I think its highly likely Lothian is Elexor.
Dear Anonymous December 10, 2007 4:03 PM,
We want a divorce. Also, we are placing a restraining order on you, because baby talk makes us schvitz.
Sincerely,
Pierre and Giles
The Rag SL
Leif: We've been meaning to try to figure it out... you've been a BH supporter for a good long while, and first names don't exactly a respectable commenter make.
So who are you, when you are SLhome?
"poor wittle baby
lying in the bed you created sucks huh?"
Sorry Anon 4:03, if you had half a brain (which I strongly doubt you do, judging from your writing) you'd be able to tell that I'm not your darling Tenshi. If she's all you can think about, maybe you'd best tell her yourself. Unrequited love is so tragic.
Well I was really hoping to stay out of this mess, but after reading the reply on their jewelry blog, I am going to add my two cents, and you can make of it whatever you want.
First: I have Amelia's IP from a comment she left on my own blog. It routes through Seattle, WA, not NJ as she claims.
Second: Tina Travanti has never purchased a skin from me (as she claims in her comments on the BH skin review). Amelia Abernathy, on the other hand, bought a pack a few days before that article went to press.
You can decide for yourselves if any of this "proves" anything. That's what I've done.
1. Saying you have IPs is not proof. It's just saying you have IPs.
2. Even if you have the IPs, as a previous person pointed out, it proves little in and of iteself. The indication of proof will come when someone of reputation says "here are the IPs, this is how we got them, this is what we compared them to."
3. Assuming #2 happens it will still be their word that is what happened. Anyone can say they obtained an IP in any number of ways, the same way people can doctor a chat log at will. The reputation of the person providing some semblence of proof will lend or detract credibility from the "proof."
4. Someone previously stated that Elexor doesn't live in either of the locations mentioned by this post. Does anyone know if that's true?
5. If certain publications like the Hearald and fashion blogs are sharing IP information on commentors I'd certainly like to know about it. That's a blantant disregard for reader privacy and we deserve to know who is employing such tactics.
6. If it matters who the Brutal Honesty people are, then it matters who is behind this blog. You cannot have it both ways.
7. It's clear there's one small group of people who have already decided this is true and are willing to believe it and one small group of people who do not, or have motive to deny it. For those of us in the middle, you'll need a bit more than what's been provided here.
Anon 6:16 --
I'm not sure if your comment was directed at me or if you were typing at the same time that I was.
If it was at me, then let me state it plainly:
I am not trying to prove anything. I consulted my own archives when this matter was brought to my attention. After reading this blog and the response on the jewelry blog I noticed some discrepancies, and I've made up my own mind.
I'm certainly not going to paste Amelia's IP here, I can only confirm that my records match what is written on this blog (Seattle, WA) and not what Amelia claims (NJ).
People can decide whatever they want based on whatever they want. I've made up my own mind based on the above.
Amelia's rebuttal is here:
http://elexor.wordpress.com/2007/12/10/207/
The first anonymous reply is interesting.
If someone like Starley is convinced enough to put their respected and hugely known name to this, I'm going with what she says.
If any of you anons are prepared to back up your claims too, I'll obviously consider that alongside :)
I can confirm that none of this is accurate.
Phillip Linden? Puh-lease.
Philip Linden said...
I can confirm that none of this is accurate.
December 10, 2007 6:56 PM
Stop using my name damnit! I can confirm you are not the real Phillip J. Linden. I am. To prove it I shall remove inventory items from the asset database randomly.
pjl:HFS
^^ See my secretary wrote this, because I am busy breaking access to the Lindex to watch my employees work.
I was waiting for someone respectable (or at least not anon!) to confirm this and wouldn't believe it until they did. If Starley says this blog is truthful, I'll believe it. You know, karma is my favorite thing ever.
IP addresses are markers. Without going into a diatribe about how it all works I am going to say this. Within a time frame the IP addresses of Ms. Travanti and Ms. Abernathy were the same. Depending on what kind of ISP you have depends on how long they keep your DHCP issued address. Most cablemodem companies just keep reissuing the same leased IP to the same cablemodem, because that is how the CMTS usually works (it varies naturally but I'm personally familiar with about 3 large cable ISPs and this is how their setup is) Verizon is a tad tricker- with their cellular EVDO you could obtain a verizon address at any location- there's even Verizon DSL cards you can purchase to tie to your DSL account and access DSL anywhere there is a phone line that Verizon has access too- and since Verizon is the monopolistic equivalent of Ma Bell that's pretty much anywhere now.
So, regardless of who you rubbed shoulders with the facts are as listed: an IP address is a marker and for someone to post under the same one with 2 different usernames means a) they are nuts and have multiple personality disorder or b) they are the same person or c) maybe Ms. Travanti lives with Ms. Abernathy? I'm just saying, numbers don't lie.
How do you guys know that is really Starley who posted?
They are lying.
The IPs match EXACTLY. In the same thread. You tell me that is a coincidence? Not possible.
And unfortunately for Tina, that is the only the beginning of where the proof is.
The right thing to do would have been to admit it - and let that piece of trash die.
But they didn't do the right thing. And they know it. And many of us HAVE seen the proof.
So there were not just one, but two instances in which Amelia and Tina's IPs matched, on the Herald post and on Starley's records. I'd be willing to doubt one, but the rumours of two, with one confirmed by Starley, are hard to ignore.
It's suspicious that the BH people have so far kept silent when normally they'd be all over this. Also Amelia's post didn't seem outraged to me. I read it as very calculated and thought out, which is not the normal response you'd expect from the innocent. Just my observations.
and someone said upthread that amelia's/tina's blog wouldn't post comments that pointed to the article on the herald. on top of the silence from brutal honesty and the post above me, it sounds guilty to me.
We traced Starley's IP, duh.
No one should be defending BH or Tenshi, or the SL rag because its disgusting trash. People getting off on the drama they create, not caring who's feelings might get hurt in the process. The people who deserve to be attacked probably don't give a flying fig and the ones who get caught in the crossfire get hurt. SL is about living out your desires and dreams, and if all these bloggers desire above else is is to hurt people, then thats sick and sad.
Does anyone else find it interesting that Bethany Heart and Elexor and Amelia are all in each others groups? They hang at Bali Hai together. Hope you all enjoyed your present tonight.
@anonymous 7:57 PM
People need to quit lying and cheating first.
what about ana boogiewoogie or ryker beck
Umm, Starley? I did buy some of your skins. Demo's. The pics in the article at BH are demo pics. I don't have any of your regular skins...we'd have to sell ads for me to afford them. *giggles*
First thing out of Tina's mouth is on Starley's skins, instead of a retort on the implausibility of this whole post, and only after people had remarked that BH had been silent. No, she's not been caught yet, mmhm.
taken from the BH blog. even they have contradicted themselves there. wait, i thought they didn't "have a store" in SL?
Tina Travanti said...
We're not a fashion blog, We don't have a store, we don't have famous blogger friends, we don't have famous SL vendor friends, we're just average joe shoppers that hang out in Second Life and write about stuff we talk about.
----
Lothian Utorid said...
Wow! What a coincidence! Here's mine:
Oct 29, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22000.00
Oct 25, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22000.00
Oct 23, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22000.00
Oct 20, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22000.00
Oct 17, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$21000.00
Oct 14, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22000.00
Oct 11, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$23000.00
Oct 9, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22001.00
Oct 8, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$11999.00
'taken from the BH blog. even they have contradicted themselves there. wait, i thought they didn't "have a store" in SL?
Lothian Utorid said...
Wow! What a coincidence! Here's mine:
Oct 29, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22000.00
Oct 25, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22000.00
Oct 23, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22000.00
Oct 20, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22000.00
Oct 17, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$21000.00
Oct 14, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22000.00
Oct 11, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$23000.00
Oct 9, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$22001.00
Oct 8, 2007 PayPal Processed Details US$11999.00'
Umm...lol. I remember reading that article and making fun of some idiot who claimed they were making tons of money via skins in SL. The person pasted a bunch of supposed Paypal transactions and Loth did the same to basically show that the statistics the other person pasted served as no proof at all because anyone could paste random numbers that meant absolutely nothing. Read before you cut and paste.
And that Tina posting is a joke obviously, though I agree that BH's silence on this speaks louder than words. Two bucks says they're going to post/reply on this all at the same time.
Starley wrote, "After reading this blog and the response on the jewelry blog I noticed some discrepancies, and I've made up my own mind."
I noticed some discrepancies too as to what you are trying to mention as evidence. Echoing what Tina said, BH's article on your skins is a demo. If Tina did buy a pack, that must have been one hell of a demo pack.
Right. Tina wore a demo in the photos but wrote "I have some CS skins and wear them occasionally". Which was quite simple to verify. Tina Travanti does not have any CS skins. She purchased one demo for the sake of the photos. The part about owning and wearing was a lie. Which she just admitted above.
"I don't have any of your regular skins..."
So which story do you want to go with? You have some and wear them occasionally, or you don't have any?
Anonymous @ 9:39pm
Are you saying demo skin purchases won't show up on transaction history? because even 0L$ purchases do.
I do believe everything written in this post, and I am certain some very good evidence will be posted VERY soon and may god be with those 3 when it does, because the shit will hit the fan and hard! ;)
@"taken from the BH blog. even they have contradicted themselves there. wait, i thought they didn't "have a store" in SL?"
WOW you are a retard!! LOTHIAN WAS KIDDING because someone came in acting like they were basically a millionaire off of their SL profits
Anyway, Elexor/Lothin Tina/Amelia are very lucky only a small percentage of SL consumers read and give 2 shits about blogs, if more people did, they would be out of business for this.
Anonymous @ 10:11pm
I'm certain those interested in seeing them finished for causing so many harm, will see to it that the percentage of those who don't read blogs find out. They have the right to know that these people are bastards and don't deserve their money.
http://brutalhonestysl.blogspot.com/2007/12/hot-buttered-drama.html
"Believe us because we're poor oppressed ordinary players like you, fight the man! The popular designers and their cronies must not win! Yahhh!"
Lisbeth sounds more desperate than any people here she says are. Nice rant that doesn't prove (or should I say, disprove) a thing. Tina did say she had other CS skins in her post, I remember it myself. If Starley says there's no record of Tina Travanti buying her skins, then it's just another hole in their sinking ship. Also you have to wonder why it's Lisbeth trying to cover their asses.
In light of these events it is really ironic how they continue to insist on painting themselves as "ordinary players" when initially it was so obvious that they did that to gain the sympathy of their readers while they mocked high-profile designers, called their fans sheep, and encouraged their readerbase to do the same.
Really, a boycott of their products and a ban is too good for them.
I've always wondered what it would be like to have multiple personalities arguing with one another... Cheers all!
Funny how both Loth & Elexor play TE..Loth has a TE group in his profile, while Elexor is a TE King. TE is a pretty small world/small community..
And it's funny how the trio of BH are all members of Elexor's competitor jewelry groups - JCNY, Alyssa Bijoux.
Just sayin'...
So, when are we getting this "other proof?" I'd like to know which publications are willing to go on record as sharing the IPs of their readers.
Funny how anyone that doesn't hang with the Quad ends up the victim of a mass witch hunt. This routine is getting a little old. Even the mafia changes tactics sometimes.
@ "Also you have to wonder why it's Lisbeth trying to cover their asses. "
Because Listbeth IS NOT an alt, shes the only one who can safely show her IP..
@ "Funny how both Loth & Elexor play TE..Loth has a TE group in his profile, while Elexor is a TE King. TE is a pretty small world/small community..
And it's funny how the trio of BH are all members of Elexor's competitor jewelry groups - JCNY, Alyssa Bijoux.
Just sayin'..."
hehe best proof-post so far.
Sooo let me see. In her rebuttal Amelia claims she works with geeks a lot huh?
"Tina Travanti said...
Oh I think it would have been fun to take a trip to SLCC. There were a lot of people there I want to meet. Prok is at the top of the list, I read most of her posts and 80% of the time I agree with her well thought out ideas and opinions.
I work in technology and I spend most of my time with mainstream geeks and nerds...with the exception of only a memorable few. They are mostly vanilla...I want to meet some geeks and nerds that are really creative and unusual.
My fellow geeks don't play SL, in fact they scoff at SL. They are much more sophisticated in playing Halo II and Gears of War. Of course they are all males between 25 and 35...I am the token girl.
I'm curious as to Caliah's comment, do you tell your RL friends about SL and what do they say?
August 29, 2007 10:11 AM"
dun dun dunnnnnn!
"So, when are we getting this "other proof?" I'd like to know which publications are willing to go on record as sharing the IPs of their readers.
Funny how anyone that doesn't hang with the Quad ends up the victim of a mass witch hunt. This routine is getting a little old. Even the mafia changes tactics sometimes."
Who said anywhere it was a "publication" that compared IP's? I think you will find most bloggers these days have a blog, or a program that logs IP's.
Funny how anyone loves to blame "The Quad" members or followers for being behind stuff like this when it happens. Fact is fact, if she didn't buy skins, she didn't buy skins.. demos or not, it's not rocketscience.
Bashing people more influential or popular so they can look like the humble, beaten up underdog, champion of the masses = cheap tactic that BH loves to use. Looks like their fans learned to use it too.
"Funny how both Loth & Elexor play TE..Loth has a TE group in his profile, while Elexor is a TE King. TE is a pretty small world/small community..
And it's funny how the trio of BH are all members of Elexor's competitor jewelry groups - JCNY, Alyssa Bijoux. "
Oh lord, you people really are reaching. You know there's a few thousand people who play TE? Going on this logic, Anyone who plays TE is a suspect.
http://brutalhonestysl.blogspot.com/2007/12/hot-buttered-drama.html
Hahahaha! That was hilarious. Typical BH swill. Don't say anything, just try to incite the crowd against Tenshi and the "popular" people.
They really do have a high opinion of their own intelligence, don't they?
*walks away laughing*
I wonder if they liked their present last night.
the stirrer.. lol! Dumbass, your post went through there - you just have to be patient. It doesn't upload immediately.
And do more than just leave the url - it looked like you were just posting about EMJ. If you were aiming at my comment, that portion of the URL got cut off, as it did here.
Was your point that I commented in that thread, so there's a connection between me and EMJ? Sadly, no, though I do like the little Christmas bulb earrings they have set out now.
I found BH the same way almost everyone else did - Tenshi pointed me there. And as your url (and other earlier ones at the Herald) indicates, I'm not a fan of Tenshi.
But I post on SCD occasionally too - doesn't make me a Friend of Tenshi or one of her alts, now does it?
Now what was your point again?
By the way - I won mainly because there were few who entered - it suggests nothing but that I was willing to spend a few minutes taking goofy pictures. if there'd been competition and I won, then you might breathlessly suggest it meant something about personal connections.
Love, the Only Person in SL with no Alts,
Morgana Fillion
Morgana, you're the only person in SL who has the balls to sign her name. Of course, that doesn't mean you're not a bitch. It just means you haven't done anything stupid yet. Glad to see you surfaced from your underground lair though.
@anon 5:21
You don't give BH enough credit. They are also good at calling names, acting smug and... ... ... Nope that's pretty much their whole repertoire.
I did a little TE digging because I was a bit curious. Neither Tina nor Lothian actually play TE.
Why they have TE groups in their profile is a mystery, but you can check for yourself here.
http://tinyempires.com/standings/
I always find it useful to speculate about alts. Probably because I put my alt in my line...but then again, I've never really been all that secretive about my alt identity.
"Anonymous said...
what about ana boogiewoogie or ryker beck
December 10, 2007 8:06 PM"
What about me?
@smellmyboogiewoogie
"Because Listbeth IS NOT an alt, shes the only one who can safely show her IP.."
I doubt two-month old noobs would sign on with a gossip rag and randomly vent their bile on the unsuspecting populace as if they had a stick-up-butt, naming names as if they knew them. Poor Lisbeth, she's stuck with all those amazingly obsessed Tenshi-haters who like singing the same song all day - I even bet they have I Hate Tenshi toothbrushes.
Oh, honey..
The day you hear me declare I'm not a bitch, *then* you'll have a scandal worth noting.
I have an underground lair?? cool!
Well Ana, you're a drama digging grub. I imagine you had something to do with this. In fact, I'm fairly sure you knew who they were all along and that's nasty... dirty, nasty gossip. just like you!
Personally, I don't care who any of you are.either side. I, for one..come into Second Life as a diversion..something fun to do. That is why it is called Second Life. Get over yourselves because the rest of us really don't care about your petty dramas.
@ Patricia - you cared enough to post here, can the holier-than-thou attitude because you're just like the rest of us. If you don't like it, don't read it.
Ana,
You've been with them from the beginning, enjoying every post. Your mediocre design skills can't exactly make up for your maliciousness when it came to enjoying the attacks on others. I imagine you'd feel differently, though, if someone called you out on your shit. Like when your LAME sim closed down and you didn't refund most of your store renters? Or when you announced the closure without giving the renters who were dumb enough to have their single store there enough time to find a new place?
@"I found BH the same way almost everyone else did - Tenshi pointed me there. "
I found it through a snide remark by tina in the fashcon group chat. The remark was very very similar to the rude remarks Elexor was always spitting out, yet for some reason, everyone overlooked his sadist personality. Perhaps his jewels were blinding.
Morgana, my post on Brutal Honesty did appear there eventually, plonked right between two posts that were already there.
Perhaps the editorial staff of Brutal Honesty looked at the name of their blog and had a belated twinge of conscience.
You won the photo contest because you're a friend of the jewelers. I doubt any lindens dollars even exchanged accounts. A fix! It's a fix I tell ya!
Oh, nice. I love how i'm getting attacked on here when I have absolutely nothing to do with Brutally Honest. So I commented on their blog. So what? I comment on alot of blogs. Does that mean i'm behind every other blog as well?
Well, I know I have nothing to do with this. Certaintly am not behind it, either. And if you don't believe me, well that's on you. :)
This is for everyone who is reading this, but hates the drama from these types of blogs (because I know you're here and for anyone with snide remarks, you can be both. You can indulge in and also hate something):
Want to start a new Fashion feed?
It's much easier to "Just not read it" if we don't let it on the feed.
So no more Brutal Honesty, no more SCD, no more Mean Girls. Just the fashion, the artwork and the reviews. Everyone else wanting this kinda thing can keep using Tao's feed.
Anon December 11, 2007 5:31 AM said...
"I wonder if they liked their present last night."
For those that don't know, Elexor's store and Bethany's properties were griefed last night, and it's my understanding that others on this "hit list" have also been harassed. That's the kind of mindset behind these posts and accusations.
@"For those that don't know, Elexor's store and Bethany's properties were griefed last night, and it's my understanding that others on this "hit list" have also been harassed. That's the kind of mindset behind these posts and accusations."
This is exactly why people choose to remain anonymous
Someone tell me how those idiots got on the Fashion Planet feed anyway, I keep mailing Tao to add a certain site to the main planet feed that complies with standards and he never adds it despite repeated emails, and that piece of trash gossip blog is on Fashion Planet? BS.
I'm all for a new feed if someone can maintain it.
They have a measly thirteen comments on their post...guess everyone but the Best Friends of Tenshi Club are tired of swallowing their garbage...Buying more from Elexor just because he's Lothian..heh. Now that's a good dumb sheep, baa. Maybe I should make a shop, put up a trash blog that proclaims my love for the underdog and bashes wellknown designers (and Tenshi) and watch my sales soar.
anon @ 11:21 AM
Isn't what they do considered griefing, the sit there and harass, sabotage, insult people behind hidden names because they simply don't have the balls to do it with a real name. I guess they got a taste of their own medicine.
and who runs this blog?
You don't give out your full SL name
You don't have any pictures of your avatar
and you became famous when a certain someone mentioned you on the herald
Hmmm that's quite fishy
Hello Everyone,
Ok Lame did not close down, I Took it over.
Which merchant did not get a refund? Id be more then happy to give them space to cover any loss.
Many of the renters at Lame who had a main store in the one location were able to move and have a new home in Fuzzy. (and if you did not get a new home let me make one for you)
As for griefing, I too was attacked yesterday, if you have a problem with me please IM me in game so we can resolve it.
If you need any help please IM me in game.
Thanks
Poppy
Swirly won't comment on this blog darlings coz she too is an alt.
hmm, maybe you can find out who's alt she is. After all, "no one is safe right?"
Heh, Wistful owned them again. Lothian finally showed up, but why hasn't Elexor released a statement yet?
I applaud starley for wanting to help expose those guys. her friend died and those petty assholes lynched him. as far as I'm concerned anyone who now gives them a taste of your own medicine deserves a medal. and ps - they pretty much admitted their elexor and whoever by reffering to them as such 'high profile' designers when in reality most people don't care they exist. which I guess is why the two are so bitter all the time and made that blog in the first place.
Elexor is a shit hack for a jewelry anyway. Half of his prim seams don't line up. I don't know anything about Amelia's work.
They are just jealous that people with better marketing skills and personalities are able to make their business profitable.
(I don't consider sucking Linden Lifestyle cock marketing)
Amelia/Tina is a manipulative and lying psychopath and sadly Elexor seems to idolise the ground she walks on and lick up the shit drips she leaves behind her, the sooner he realises the names she calls him behind his back the better off he will be...
Anyone notice how Tinelia/Amina always inserts LOL at the ends of her sentences with horrible punctuation? Look at her only lame ass comeback on the BH rebuttal thread:
Tina Travanti said...
I wear Starley demos in SL and I wear Starley skins in IMVU LOL
-
Amelia Abernathy's post in
Sorry for the rant, I just felt it had to be addressed. Now, go buy my stuff. LOL
Yeah, it doesn't take a genius to figure out who she is.
And the stuff like "talkin'"
Why don't you go walkin' off the end of a cliff Tinmelia?
The jig is up, you've been caught out.. admit it and move the fuck on you stupid old nutcase.
LOL Y'ALL (<--- sarcasm)
Hi *giggles*
I am a huge psycho bitch with major issues *laughs and flips my 80's hair whilst teasing my dog with treats laughing like a mad (middle aged) woman*
I work with tons of geeks so think I can outwit the rest of the world LOL
Y'all have been fun to be playin' with, ya hear?
I was going to try and be witty and post the song "beautiful liar" and dedicate it to Ametina and Elexion but shit... neither of them are beautiful, inside or out.. It's a sad state of affairs when your av's and your alt's avs are that pig ugly! {ok ok Tinelias was ok after she purchased a shape}
Here is a thought.. play with your avatar sliders instead of playing with yourselves when you manage to rile the masses :)
I wonder why "middle aged" is consistently used as an insult in this thread and others?x
@ciera
Maybe it's because they are middle-aged? Not that it's much of an insult.. maybe people just expect them at their age to act a little more responsibly than two spanked schoolchildren with a grudge.
Also.. don't think they don't say shit about you, or lollipop, or nalirra because you would be way way wrong.
If you want to tell the truth and reveal the people of brutal honesty, wouldnt you have enough balls to say who you are?
who cares?? why look a gifthorse in the mouth? Personally I don't care who writes this blog I just care the truth about brutal honesty is out.
@ anon 11:51
Hrm, yeah...proof please. My IMs are always open. I really doubt I'm being talked about. What are they going to say? "That CiCi...ebiiiilll, ebil I tell you"! :-))
Ciera - because this is Tenshi and her toddler friends, who are all still at that tender age where they think calling someone middle aged is an insult.
It's one of many linguistic clues that spotlight tenshi much more clearly than their mysterious proof does about identities.
and a lot less common that "LOL" and..what was that? Dogs teased with treats? (I ask you - who has a dog that doesn't do that?)
Personally, thinking back to Tenshi's original opus that included insulting an innocent dog, I think she's just got canine issues. Mistaken for one, maybe?
Ciera-
Anon because you know me, but remember when you published and sent out your wedding pictures? I was hanging out with a group that had Elexor and Amelia (not Tina and Lothian) in it. They were saying really terrible things about your weight, your dress, your husband and the decor at your wedding. I should have told you earlier, sorry.
True or not that is seriously the most vile thing I've seen anyone involved in this subject do in here.
Ciera asked for an IM - you posted publicly *and* you stay anonymous which will solely have the affect of making her wonder which of all the people she knows would do such a mean petty thing.
Are you really so blinded by your own animosity to Elexor and Amelia that you're willing to make others feel like crap just to make your point? Sharks on a feeding frenzy.
Whatever your intentions were with that horrible comment, concern for Ciera isn't anywhere on the list. What a piece of scum you are.
Morgana rocks.
why did elexor delete his entire blog? also, his 1st life profile is interesting. guess they are doing the Herald article.
Anon 10:03
If it were actually true, you would have been kind enough to shoot me a private IM like I requested. If you ACTUALLY knew me, you would have realized this was your best choice (I don't bite). Instead, you post something that gives the impression you're just trying to insult me. Which is just plain odd.
At any rate, what a horrible thing for you to say. Bringing my RL appearances, my husband, or my wedding into the mix is very nasty, but, no one on the planet can be a good person, all of the time. I have a lot of things people only dream of and I am very grateful. I'll leave it at that (as far as my personal life). Hopefully you find that within yourself so you don't feel the need to try to hurt people over the internet.
If you do ever feel the need to talk to someone about things, I am here. As insincere as that may sound to some...I'm honestly more interested in fixing rough patches than making them.
Sorry Morgana, not everyone interested in bringing BH to their knees is a friend of Tenshi. Truth be told we'd appreciate it if they both vanished off the face of the planet. Your vehemence in defending such scum (and constantly pinning the blame on Tenshi) makes me wonder why exactly. They aren't exactly the poster girl/boy of intelligent free speech. It's not one or the other you know, and that in some people's minds it has to be is kind of funny.
Also, while you decried drama-lovers in your reply to BH's post, you're doing your own part heating it up *points above to the Ciera exchange* so please don't be such a hypocrite.
You mean this:
"These people get so gleefully worked up about the lamest things. Drama whores, without you, this website wouldn't even have any drama - you're just helping them aim the spotlight on you. You'd think that if it really bothered you, you'd stop feeding it to them in giant gooey handfuls.
Admit it, you loooove BH as much as those of us who read to see what stupidity you'll jump on do. Without BH you'd have to eat each other to fill that attention-seeking hole."
I stand by that, and look through this thread. There's been a whole lot of eating each other.
I don't decry generic drama lovers - I'm decrying this particular bunch of venomous idiots. JUST Tenshi? Hardly. But she's a major player here with a lot of little satellites.
"Tenshi controls the world. Anything that goes wrong in your life is because of Tenshi. Anything drama-related is because of Tenshi, Tenshi is Big Brother and you all are fucked."
Signed,
Morgana Fillion, Tina Travanti, Amelia Abernathy, Lothian Utorid and Elexor Matador.
@Morgana "...bunch of venomous idiots."
That describes a lot of the clusterfucks - pardon my French - on BH to a T. You can't really expect this to be much different, though I've counted more replies worth reading in this thread (whether plain humorous or speculative) than the usual spate of namecalling and bombastic "I'm right, you're sheep" over there, so you'll forgive me if I find this a little more tolerable.
Poison begets poison, we can't expect it not to when it comes to BH. Unlike Tenshi or Mean Girls, they hid behind a pair of alts to backstab people they wouldn't have dared touch otherwise (including people they called friends), so it's not surprising that people are out for blood. *shrugs*
"they hid behind a pair of alts to backstab people they wouldn't have dared touch otherwise "
Still waiting for the proof. All any of us have seen so far is an alt of Tenshi CLAIMING they have IPs that match. Maybe she deleted the proof just like she does all of her mess ups on SCD?
Just be patient, I don't think you'll have to wait very long.
They even did an article bashing the hair textures used by the owner of Bali Hai, talking about shitting on your own doorstep.
ok, this was on ELEXOR's PROFILE:
Amelia Abernathy: ohhhhh what a quaint tiny shop
Amelia Abernathy: it looks like a yard sale
Amelia Abernathy: ...seriously
Amelia Abernathy: seein this crapola makes me wonder what their houses look like in rl
You: I'm betting lots & lots of cats.
yeah those two are a couple of angels, nothing about that quote makes me think they run BH..
@December 13, 2007 5:49 PM
Agreed. This was also on his profile picks a few months back
"Want high quality jewelry? Visit my shop, Elexor Matador Jewelry. Want low quality walmart jewelry? Shop at RICX"
Not the exact quote, he removed it, but pretty damn close!
Should I mention, I prefer RICX?
is it just me or does this all seem to be commented by two or three people?
ps ana b is Lisbeth
Ok, I am actually a new anon to this, so be patient:
Ciera - I would IM you in world and tell you that I heard the exact same as the anons above me but I really do not want to get dragged into this with my "real" name.
I know for certain that Amelia and Tina's IP's match, i've seen the proof and I don't understand why it isn't being posted already, maybe because someone could get into trouble? I'm not sure.
I know Elexor and Amelia personally and I am shocked they would sink to such a level as to pen BH, but I do believe it is true. Amelia has a very very nasty streak and Elexor just does what she tells him to which I find both odd and a little bit sad at the same time.
I won't put my name to this as I do not want any rebuttal and I know that this makes my word somewhat lacking, but I can assure you if you play ball with these two, you really better watch what you say and do around them because you really will find out one day what they are like, like many of their other friends and associates.
Take Care and I hope that someday soon this is all over for everyone involved, deserved or not.
You all want proof? Don't worry, watch the Herald. It's coming.
http://foo.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/12/fashionsita-sho.html
"I won't put my name to this as I do not want any rebuttal and I know that this makes my word somewhat lacking."
I've had my share of he said she said in the past that I was gun ho to believe...Willing to believe people that I don't know any more than you, but due to certain life changing events I'm sure you won't hold it against me that I wont take the word of someone who's not even willing to stand behind it.
Ciera: Designers are better when they stfu.
@ciera
Certainly not. It's quite understandable.. I really do wish I could come forward without being harassed by Amelia and her merry band .
@ciera
aren't you friends with amelia and lexor? hmmmm
Ok let's rip this all apart just a bit.
1. This whole issue was originally divulged by Tenshi...opps, I mean Pierre...citing evidence of IP addresses. People wanted proof of said IPs and the proof was never provided. So now out of no where there is no mention of IPs and its now a chat logged conversation. Which, by the way, holds even less water than the 'IP claim' that no one could prove.
2. This supposed 'chatlog' was released by Ana B. Umm...Ana is a drama monger. She is known to run around the blogosphere posting comments that are controversial or 'against the grain' in nearly every comment. And we all know that bad publicity is still publicity. You just lost another 10 points of credibility off of your story.
3. Ana's proof is a chatlog. I think we've already established these can easily be made up. And considering the source...
4. Now lets just assume that the chat log is real. Anyone who has ever read Brutal Honesty knows that there is sarcasm leaking from nearly every line written. INCLUDING the photo of Tenshi thing that you morons blew up into a 'stalker situation'. So assuming the convo was real, do you really think that Tina would honestly tell Ana (whom she isn't exactly best friends with) the truth? How thick are you people? If I was constantly being harrassed that I had an alt when I didn't or that my alt was so and so when it wasn't I'd prolly just tell everyone I was Bill Gates. Does that make it true? NO geniuses.
5. You guys are saying that Tenshi shouldn't be fired because she 'exposed' injustice. Umm...she 'exposed' a blog of supposed alts who post about controversial issues that others don't have the guts to post about by ALSO starting her own blog under an alternate name that posts about controversial issues that others dont have the guts to post about. AND she supposedly 'exposed' content theft?? HAHAHAHA. DID you somehow miss the article she wrote where she was praising content theft? Stating that a particular designer who STOLE and RECREATED exact copies of Chanel jewelry (including the logo) and was SELLING them for profit was 'doing it the right way' because they admitted on the ad it was an original Chanel piece. See any flaws in your logic yet?
6.Those who are saying Simone should be fired to....huh? I don't remember seeing Simone create a random blog under an alternate name to flame and berate others. Lets not forget that its NOT ONLY BH that 'Pierre and Guiles' (*cough* Tenshi) ripped into. 'They' also managed to attack Minnu skins, Skin Within, Scarlett Niven, AND Celestial Studios and Last Call. BEFORE Tenshi supposedly 'exposed' their alts she too was discrediting designers as an alt people. The Rag was NOT created with the intentions to expose anyone. Suer she claims it was in a round about way in the 'closing post'. But did you forget it was around months BEFORE this whole thing? Tenshi was attempting to make another sarcastic blog hoping it would blow BH out of the water and it didn't. Suddenly Tenshi and idiots scream that BH suggests stalking her and not thats the point of that blog? Ummm.....the logic just gained an even bigger hole.
7. Those laughing about this blog (and others) tracking IPs....don't worry. They probably are trying to track down as many anonymous posters as they possibly can like the Nazi's they are. In this world we have freedom of anonimity...and for good reason. Idiots like you all track down and try to smash anyone who doesn't think like you.Nazi much? So the next time you try to cite 'freedom of speech' or go to a voting booth to vote for the next US president when elections come up again, just turn around and walk away. Nazi's. If you do live in the US, you don't deserve to. We believe in freedom over here. Nazi's.
And...what the heck does Ciera have to do with ANY of this? Start legitimate drama on your own blod please.
^^^ Thanks, Elexor, for your input. Really, justify more, it's fun to listen too. It's like white noise.
wow, someone likes to say Nazi a lot!
Amelia Abernathy: Hi...
Tina Travanti: Hi..
Amelia Abernathy: Fancy meetin' you here LOL
Tina Travanti: Fancy that very odd considerin' we share the same brain LOL
*cue lots of cackling*
Chat logs CANNOT be made up how *dare * you!
'^^^ Thanks, Elexor, for your input. Really, justify more, it's fun to listen too. It's like white noise.'
Believe it or not, I'm actually an outsider who doesn't know a single person involved in this whole fiasco. But I have read a lot and, unlike most of you, I actually looked at the 'facts' and chose to believe for myself. Its fun. You should totally try it.
'wow, someone likes to say Nazi a lot!'
I suppose if they didn't walk around with the whole 'If you don't believe the way we do we will track your IP and keeeeeeel you' attitude I wouldn't need to say it.
I wasn't much bothered that I featured in one of BH's badly justified diatribes until I realised that it was done by Amelia and Elexor, who act for all the world as if I'm their dearest friend. Now I'm just wondering which things I know about them to reveal first
Dear Nazi Hater/Elothor/"Nazi's" Lover/Elexian
Your misuse of the possessive is really annoying.
1.) Ask your girlfriend if it's ok to post her IP, and I bet they'll do it if you really want more proof added to the pile.
2.) Ana might be a drama monger, but she has nothing on you and your wench. She came forward because she was sick of the drama. You finally pushed her to her breaking point. Everyone has a limit beyond which they can no longer tolerate it. Kudos to her. Shame on you.
3.) Yes, chatlogs can be faked. Would someone in their right mind claim to be associated with you lot? Not bloody likely!
4.) Yes. We do actually believe Tina would tell Ana. She probably told other people. She's not very smart despite what she likes to think.
5.) Your hatred is not a "controversial issue" so much as it is an "inexplicable pathology". Seek treatment.
6.) We're just saying. Fair is fair. We wouldn't hire anyone that associated with you either.
7.) I reiterate: your misuse of the possessive is really annoying. And repetitive. Get yourself a thesaurus or something.
PS. Congrats on that "Biggest Douche in the Universe" award!
And if, on the off chance, you're not everybody's favorite dramatard, make yourself useful. Run along and tell him what we said like the good little sheep you are.
Baa.
Did you miss the part where I said I wasn't either of them nor did I know ANY of the people involved? Crazy to think that someone in SL actually thinks for themselves huh. Now why don't you go ahead and run along back to Tenshi like the sheep YOU are. By the way...I don't know her either.
P.S.S. I happen to love my use of the possessive. The little curly apostrophes turn me on.
Oh I didn't miss anything you said. I just chose to ignore it. *giggles like your girlfriend*
Did ya tell him yet? Did ya? Did ya? Did he/you foam at the mouth again?
"aren't you friends with amelia and lexor? hmmmm"
I don't know Amelia very well but Elex used to have a store on the same sim I did once upon a time. I don't have anything against either.
"And...what the heck does Ciera have to do with ANY of this?"
Nothing, I thought. I was just commenting like any other person on here, just not anonymously. I suppose that's enough for some to try and pick a fight. My initial question here was just "why do people consistently use 'middle aged' as an insult"? Which really didn't have anything to do with Elex or Ame...just more to do with me not liking when people put down others for things they cannot help (like age). Especially when getting older is not a BAD thing...we all do it, hopefully.
Drama monger, con artist, blah blah blah...is not what I know about Ame or Elex but it's also not what I was arguing. Anyway, that's my piece and I'm "stfu"ing about it now. ;-)
The word you're looking for is 'loathing' - check your spelling if your shot consists of dinking on someone's punctuation.
By the way... do I believe that T&L are A&E? Yes, I suppose I do - still doesn't matter much to me since I think every conversation I've had with them is available to all of you to read. No emotional investment for me, although I feel for those who have had private gossip broken open publicly that's hurtful to them.
This doesn't really get to me much because I had my emotional encounter of a similar sort happen years before SL existed - the trouble with text based gossip is that there will be records kept and eventually they will come out. There's a reason I don't stay anon - the less you hide, the less there is to reveal.
But let me share with all of you the rest of the lesson you learn eventually from this - if you are friends with someone you know is prone to gossip privately while being nice publicly to anyone else... they're doing it to you, too. Knowing this little crew by the face they show publicly, I seriously can't imagine you all are less catty and bitchy in private. A&E got called out for bit, but I doubt a one of you haven't said as much in private, different target or otherwise. And now you've established that it's ok to then share those private conversations and IPs?
Rest easy, sharks.
And Iris - burn in hell? For virtual drama? Either you don't even buy into hell and that's a pointless thing to say, or you do and it's way overkill. What is this? Carrie? The 'burn in hell' crowd were the bad guys, remember?
Oh Morgana, do stop getting on your moral high horse whenever it's convenient and overlooking the fact how in supporting BH you were encouraging the selfsame ugliness you profess to despise. If Amelia and Elexor hadn't been the people that they are do you think this would have happened? No.
Personally I think it's satisfyingly fitting that they were brought low in such a manner. An ugly spectacle for ugly-spirited people.
Awww, I heard they are both having a really bad day.
Boo-fucking-hoo.... just desserts bitches.
Stop hiding y'all.. wee seeeee youuuuuuuu in groupppps. Idiots to the end. Tsk.
Morgana, the main fault in your defense is that this was not "private gossip" that got made public.
Surely everyone says things in private for any number of reasons that they'd never say in public. That's human nature. Everyone needs to vent from time to time. You blow off steam, get it off your chest and move on.
These people went ahead and said it in public and encouraged like minded individuals to get their spiteful little digs in too. This is not a case of private gossip made public to hurt Amelia & Elexor. This is a case of Amelia and Elexor making very public gossip meant to hurt a lot of people and then getting caught.
They are the sharks here, no doubt about it and you'd probably be wise to remember that.
:) I never had any private or personal relationship with then to worry about, so I'm not particularly digestible to the sharks on either side.
And yes, you are correct that BH's existance is not what I am referring to - I'm talking about the methods used to out them. After talk of IPs (which I think would backfire because then everyone who posts in any of number of sites run by the same small crowd of people would have just cause to be concerned about their privacy), the evidence used was a private conversation.
An incredibly stupid conversation, beyond a shadow of a doubt, but private.
And in trying to secure the 'win' over the last few days some asshole in here (and maybe more but only 'the rag' knows for sure) actually passed on 'they said this about you' crap that may or may not be true but in no case what at all necessary.
I've seen a million different things people are pissed off at - some seem justified to me, others don't at all and are being decried by people who do the exact same thing.
but the catty, bitchy gossipfest isn't anything anyone here has one lick of moral high ground to be complaining about and the tactics used to avenge this will come back to haunt you as surely as they are haunting them right now.
'Morgana, the main fault in your defense is that this was not "private gossip" that got made public.'
I think the private gossip she was referring to was the last few comments directed at Ciera in which someone decided to publicly air some dirty laundry that allegedly was said about her. She's the one who could have been hurt in that case. It was just tacky.
@Morgana "...but the catty, bitchy gossipfest isn't anything anyone here has one lick of moral high ground to be complaining about"
You included, so perhaps you oughtn't be putting the emphasis on that in your criticisms. IPs for me are perfectly valid proof obtained through honest means. There was nothing despicable about these bloggers using IP information to track down their suspects - it's common knowledge that if you're going to dirty your hands on the Internet and you have a lot to lose, you ought to be at least wise enough to cover your tracks. Or maybe *gasp* not do it at all?
Shame that some were spiteful enough to post things like the ip in public, but that kind of reaction is merely indicative of the hate that BH generated with their self-serving wankery.
They made the bed with their own hate, they have to lie in it.
@Morgana,
would you just stop?? No one here is interested in starting a verbal debate. BH has been found out and we want to sit around in the mud and celebrate we don't have illusions as to what we're here for. Yeah what those people said was uncalled for but I doubt their the sort of people who'll derive any life lessons from what you have to say.
hah! good point, anon.
Snapdragon - I didn't say that using IP info was 'despicable'. I said it likely wasn't, in the end, what was offered as proof because it would backfire. Don't put words in my mouth - I've plenty of my own.
And all of you (or one of you - still so hard to tell), don't give yourself a cramp telling me to stop talking. It's not in your power to make me, and when I will when I want to, not when you tell me to. *blows kisses*
@Morgana "And now you've established that it's ok to then share those private conversations and IPs?"
"the tactics used to avenge this will come back to haunt you as surely as they are haunting them right now."
That was what I was referring to, not the reason the IP proof wasn't used. IPs were an indispensable part of the "tactics", they just led up to the coup de grace with the Herald post.
Like anonymous I don't really see the point of your getting on a soapbox in front of this crowd.
[14:24] Tinelia Troglodite: Hello :D
[14:25] Chriss Kondor: this is my best galpal Tinelia
[14:25] Tinelia Troglodite: I have a bit of a guilty conscience lol
[14:28] Tinelia Troglodite: I used to be into scat, but not anymore lol
[14:28] Iris Seale: haha
[14:28] Chriss Kondor: lmao
[14:34] Tinelia Troglodite: brb ya'll, my dog wants a treat lol
[14:35] Tinelia Troglodite giggles
[14:38] Tinelia Troglodite: I have to go, Lothexor is on and he'll kill me if he finds me here. Bye Chriss, by everyone else. Enjoy Nathan Pie. lol.
[14:38] Chriss Kondor: Ok, bye Tinelia
The thing I've found most interesting is tina and lothian never come right out and say "We are not Amelia and Elexor." Likewise, Amelia's blog post on the subject never directly says "I am not Tina." If I were wrongly accused of something like this, my response would be a single sentence refuting the claim... funny how they dance an elaborate dance around saying that, isn't it?
/me stares at screen for a moment... blinks... ummm... I dont think i know any of you, and I don't have two hours to read the thread... can someone sum this thing up for me?
Ya Traci *sums it up*
Amelia Abernathy and Elexor Matador are Tina and Lothian, who write Brutal Honesty, or as I like to call it.. Crock of Shit.
They won't deny it, no-one really cares all that much as they are fairly non descript, but its fun to watch them get whats coming to them.
The End!
You know. When the Child av post came out and then singled out Alienbear's jewelry I found that odd since there are better examples of child stores in SL.
But I guess you target your competition huh?
Mmmm....'kay, got it... thx...
Traci
Linden Lifestyles reviewed Elexor again today. guess they really are out of touch!
Linden Lifestyle only review Elexor and Amelia because they both kiss-ass to every blogger there.
thats because no other reputable blog will blog them cos they have some respect for everyone that BH has lashed out at...
and like anon above me said, lothexor, tinmelia and salome are so far up each others arses it's a good excuse for spewing so much utter shit
Wow. A Tenshi-affiliated attack blog going after Linden Lifestyles. We've never seen that before. Oh...wait...
Who's going after Linden Lifestyles? And where's Tenshi in all this? Pixeleen wrote the story; she wrote this blog, too. Far as i can tell, someone commented that it was a dumb thing for Linden Lifestyles to review Lothexor, which I agree with. Of course, I'm not saying that they're awful for reviewing him. Just that they have no principles which most of us already know.
yeah douchewad, the blog didn't attack LL, I did and I can assure you I don't even know Tenshi personally, I do however know Elexor and Amelia so I think i'm within my rights to say they spew shit :)
There hasn't been a post over at Brutal Honesty in a long time. I'm assuming this means it imploded and the good guys won?
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